Comments on: TSM Episode 278: I Was a Teenage Dictator http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/ Tue, 22 Mar 2016 03:04:25 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.2 By: SKS http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72952 Sun, 06 Jul 2014 02:32:16 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72952 Have to forgive me, I’m not up to (iTunes) speed yet with all the early MAP podcasts.

Whatever happened to that English guy, with the ‘Brummie’ Accent?
He disappeared like a soap opera plot, no doubt I’ve missed a show or some there.

Probably not the greatest question, given an age – Love that dude BTW.

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By: DiceAdmiral http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72895 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 20:58:46 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72895 That is incredibly helpful, thank you.
Lancelot really is sleazy, he even cheats on the woman he’s having an affair with.

I looked up that poem as a result of hearing Loreena McKennit’s adaptation, which I liked. She also has a musical version of It was an English Ladye Bright which I also consider quite good.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72891 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 20:21:47 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72891 @DiceAdmiral: Well, some of these things presume extant knowledge about the Matter of Britain.

The Lady of Shalott is Elaine. We don’t know who cursed her in the poem, but it is a magical spell which will doom her if she ever looks out at the real world. Instead, she must work her loom, and she looks out at the world by gazing at its reflection in a mirror. When she sees Lancelot, she is so taken by his vision that she turns to see his real form, thus condemning herself to die.

Lancelot is there simply because he happens to be riding by, as a Knight errant. In other versions of the Lancelot and Elaine story, Lancelot and Elaine have a relationship by which Elaine has a child (Galahad). Elaine then dies and her body, arriving in Camelot by boat, is a silent condemnation and shame to Lancelot: something which has no outwardly identifying signs of meaning (their relationship being a secret), but which is nevertheless known/discovered to the key figures (Guen, Lance, etc.). In those versions, Lancelot is away from Camelot after having had a sort of disagreement with Guenivere, the details of which vary in the stories (she is jealous, she thinks he is not attentive enough, they mean to end their affair, etc.).

This episode is situated within a larger story, the details of which would have been common knowledge to Britons of the time (and probably still amongst most literate Britons today). However, other readings of the poem borrow from the New Critics (looking only at what is in it, and ignoring all else). Wikipedia gives a few such readings:

Modern critics consider The Lady of Shalott to be representative of the dilemma that faces artists, writers, and musicians: to create work about and celebrate the world, or to enjoy the world by simply living in it. Feminist critics see the poem as concerned with issues of women’s sexuality and their place in the Victorian world. The fact that the poem works through such complex and polyvalent symbolism indicates an important difference between Tennyson’s work and his Arthurian source material. While Tennyson’s sources tended to work through allegory, Tennyson himself did not.

This is super-general and these readings are pretty ‘ordinary’ in the sense of being somewhat unsophisticated, but there’s nothing wrong with them, and I would say that any of them are perfectly sound and readily defensible.

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By: DiceAdmiral http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72889 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:56:54 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72889 I’m just confused about what happened. Are we supposed to ask those questions? Who was the Lady? Who cursed her and why? Why did Lancelot come to the island and sing? etc…

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72888 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:42:24 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72888 No, there’s no more. :o
Why do you ask?

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By: DiceAdmiral http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72887 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 19:33:38 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72887 There’s more of Shallot? Does that provide some context for what happens to the Lady of Shallot and why? Maybe I’m just too dense, but it sounds like she just looks out at Lancelot because he’s singing and then she dies because she’s cursed to keep weaving. I feel like I’m missing something significant.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72879 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:50:25 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72879 Shalott is fantastic stuff. But no, it’ll be something a little more modern. I try to mix it up for the sake of broadness.

Not to worry: we’ll be revisiting Tennyson again!

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By: DiceAdmiral http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72878 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:49:03 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72878 More Tennyson next week? :
http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/174626

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By: Julian 'SiliconNooB' Taylor http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72870 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 18:08:33 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72870 This Towerfall stuff really does defy belief!

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By: Dancing Matt http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72862 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 14:27:53 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72862 I used to play Quake, Quake II, WarCraft II, Diablo, and Starcraft on a 56k modem all the time, and if those games could do it then, Towerfall can do it now. But we’re talking about a game originally designed for Ouya, right? So why expect it to make any sense at all?

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By: James 'Gyme' Pagel http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72858 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:02:32 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72858 I forgot that I got a month ban for the Goblincast sequel. Remember to always think about the children. Always.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72856 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 03:55:49 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72856 Yes, that was a sort of hint.–the way that Germany invading Poland was a ‘hint’ that Hitler probably couldn’t be trusted.

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By: James 'Gyme' Pagel http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72855 Thu, 03 Jul 2014 03:53:40 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72855 @Lusi I think the Goblincast was the first inkling it may not be a good idea to have me and Noob on a podcast together.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72825 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 16:52:02 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72825 @DA: That may well be the case (or not, I don’t know all of the methods employed, and that may or may not be one of the tools in the box), but the result for PLAYERS is a seamless and generally lag-free experience–and frankly, that’s what actually matters.

It doesn’t matter how much lag there is behind the scenes as long as players never experience it at the business end. That’s a matter of optimisation of netcode and game design, but ultimately these things can be made more or less invisible.

Certainly, a lossy network connexion or high latency to the server will cause even these efforts to fail, but that’s down to the individual user. If I choose to play with my friend in, say, AUSTRALIA, then I can expect more lag (probably around 120ms) than if I play with my friend who lives a couple of hours away (probably less than 20ms). And it’s worth pointing out that 20ms of latency doesn’t mean that I (or anyone else) *see* everything happening 2/10s of a second late–because the netcoding and the game design are set up in such a way that the 20ms latency are negated by things like local processing and staggered sending.

I used to play UT99 on a dial-up modem with my friends. I don’t *ever* remember complaining about lag, despite being a little camping sniper bitch. That was in 1999 on a 28.8k connexion! ON A LANDLINE!

I’ve played so many online games since then, and in nearly all of them lag was not a problem. Many of them required split-second responses, with collision detection, projectile physics, environmental effects, and so on–elements far more complex than Towerfall, which is essentially an artillery game that needs to transmit only projectile launch time and character location (projectile movement can be calculated on each user’s end, as long as position data and launch time are known. This is one of the MAIN ways to get around lag issues).

So no, I don’t buy it. It’s a very smug, self-satisfied response which probably jacks off the vintage 70s shirt-wearing sector of the population, but one only needs to look at the variety and capability of current online multiplayer games–to say nothing of those from the past two decades–to know that this is a line of horseshit. And that’s in despite of whatever Ben “Industry Shill” Kuchera may claim.

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By: DiceAdmiral http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72824 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 16:41:29 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72824 So you think that the section on how those FPS games rewind a few miliseconds to see what you ‘should have hit’ is just BS? I admit that you might be right, especially since the developer who wrote the article is guilt of this specific sin.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72823 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 16:16:21 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72823 @DiceAdmiral: What a load of horse-shit. One of the most disingenuous things I’ve ever read.

FPS games have managed since the late 90s, and they handle a lot more information per frame than Towerfall does. Some of them (TF2 springs to mind, Borderlands 2 is another) are MUCH faster than Towerfall.

As for 2D platformers (including those with a vs. mode!) I’ve seen plenty that handle it just fine–and I don’t mean “Super Smash Bros.” levels of fine. I mean genuinely non-laggy simultaneous gameplay. I’ve even seen these produced by TINY developers (the fan-made 2D TF2 game again springs to mind).

Despite what they claim, there are very obviously analogous (or perhaps identical!) methods used that could just as easily be employed by the people who make Towerfall–they simply choose not so to do.

Let me translate the article into TRUTH for you:

We’re not very good at optimising our netcode, and also we’re lazy. It’s easier to make excuses and prevaricate than it is to actually buckle down and include a feature which has been a staple of computer games for twenty years now. So, please buy our game even though we’re too fucking lazy to include a feature that lets you play with your friends. We’re going to characterise this as ‘how the game is meant to be played’, but of course it is really down to the fact that we’re bone-idle. Excuses ARE easier than work! Also, we sound way more hipster and artistic this way!”

To borrow a mental image from Kisaki, I imagine them twirling their fucking moustaches and jacking off as they talk about how ‘local’ is how it is ‘meant’ to be played, and that they want to ‘control’ the ‘artistic experience’ Because, being hipsters, they’re totally against whatever is de rigeur. If online multiplayer is the standard, they’re going to show how ‘hip’ they are by listening to everything on vinyl and playing everything local, and then claiming how ‘superior’ or ‘more authentic’ it is.

Here’s the thing: how does including online multiplayer as an option HURT the experience for the people who want to play it locally? I have NO problem with there being a local multiplayer mode. Sure! Include it! I think that’s great. It should have that. But ONLY that? No. That’s ridiculous.

You’re welcome!

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By: DiceAdmiral http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72822 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:58:03 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72822 Since no one followed up on this linked article about Towerfall multiplayer, I’ll repost it:
http://www.polygon.com/2014/3/11/5491146/why-you-dont-want-an-online-mode-towerfall

I’m inclined to agree with the article. Thoughts?

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By: Ethan 'Ethos' Pipher http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72807 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 13:24:15 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72807 I love that it is evilpaul, of all the readers, who has become the legendary phantom, the one who can drop a single comment every year just to keep his fans believing.

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By: Savante http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72779 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:29:21 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72779 Bah!

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72776 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:18:45 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72776 And THAT’S why SN and Gyme aren’t allowed to be in the same room together anymore.

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By: Savante http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72775 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:17:42 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72775 NOT to say current podcasts haven’t had their moments! But I revel in the Chaos, those were chaotic days. Julian and Gyme went above and beyond a few months ago with that Chinese Checkers podcast.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72774 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:16:10 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72774 @Savante: Hmmm… ideas!

ON ANOTHER TOPIC:

NOMINATIONS ARE OPEN. CLICK HERE TO NOMINATE GAMES FOR SELECT-A-MISERY NOW!

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By: Savante http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72773 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:13:28 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72773 He’s on another pantheon; how does one beckon to the Bup? Truly? I think Bup is going to come out swinging in the next podcast, out of spite. You can all taunt him to break, he’ll battle back twice as hard just to give the rest of us the good old “fuck you”. I am, in fact, worried that he will be so serious that it’ll be boring.

I was at work listening to 109 a few days ago and had to go on break when my name came up. I had completely forgotten about this, and there’s Bup curb stomping me in his glory. Like 3 years ago, tears shed in laughter. I really should comment more on his articles.

As to why I was listening to old podcasts, I remembered a lot of old Oliver phone call interstate crime podcasts. They were all funny. Missed that shit.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72772 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:06:51 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72772 @Savante: But do you comment on his fucking articles once in a while?

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By: Savante http://lusipurr.com/2014/06/30/tsm-episode-278-i-was-a-teenage-dictator/#comment-72771 Wed, 02 Jul 2014 04:04:32 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=11565#comment-72771 Just came across this ditty a week or so ago, had completely forgot about it. Have been going back to some of the chaotic eps of the long past.

http://lusipurr.com/2011/03/28/map-109-tell-your-friends/

Timeframe on this one: 4:15-6:15 Enjoy. “WHAT A MARooooon”. Did not learn my lesson that day, apparently.

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