Comments on: Feature: Christmas in Narshe: A Final Fantasy VI Playthrough http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/ Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:48:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5 By: Ethos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37564 Ethos Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:48:13 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37564 Last year when I started playing this game, I REALLY got into it. It was the most I had enjoyed it by far, and it shot up my list of favourite Final Fantasys. I don’t know why it’s not sticking the same way this year. I’m FAR more busy in my life when trying to play it this time around, so I haven’t been able to just sit around and play it for 3 hour bursts like last year, so that might be contributing. The only thing I like more this time compared to last year is the soundtrack. The more you hear it, the easier it is to see the way Nobuo weaved in his themes throughout the OST.

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By: DanChiSao http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37444 DanChiSao Tue, 18 Dec 2012 22:21:52 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37444 Just picked up the airship and went to get Terra. Other than a moment of stupidity when I first got to the WoR (didn’t put Ribbon on Celes and got petrified when she was solo), the game continues to be pretty easy. And now that I have Sabin’s Bum Rush and the Bahamut magicite, I can sleepwalk the rest of the way more or less.

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By: DefChaos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37395 DefChaos Tue, 18 Dec 2012 06:58:52 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37395 I agree with SiliconNoob and Ethos. Saying that FF6 has no main character doesn’t take anything away from Terra as a character nor Final Fantasy 6 as a game. If anything, it highlights it as unique.

I’m about to head to Figaro in the World of Ruin. The grey and yellow overworld isn’t very easy on the eyes, I’m already missing the greens of the World of Balance. I get that that’s what they were going for though.

As for the recent discussion about dialogue, WoR South Figaro has some real gems in it, including “We may be thieves, but at least we have goals in life!” from one townsperson. :D

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By: Ethos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37306 Ethos Sun, 16 Dec 2012 20:03:55 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37306 As confused as I am that SN and I have been agreeing so much lately, he is absolutely correct. FF6 is once again like FF12 in this way.

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By: SiliconNooB http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37303 SiliconNooB Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:45:55 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37303 Arguments for FFVI having a main character are feeble. Such rationales are no more persuasive than saying Yuna is the main character of FFX because her story is the most entwined with the story of FFX.

FFVI has no main character.

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By: Ethos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37301 Ethos Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:33:11 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37301 It definitely comes down to taste and sensibilities. FF6, 7, and 9 are all as close to brilliant as games have come, but once you reach that tier, preference is what counts.

I will say, however, that despite all the flak we’re giving the dialogue (and also what I consider to be a pretty wonky tone between serious and silly that I feel 7 and 9 strikes far more poignantly), there are a few great lines. “Here’s to a couple of confused adults” being one of them.

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By: Korusi http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37289 Korusi Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:16:04 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37289 While Celes takes a bigger roll on in the second half of the game you cannot beat the game without Terra showing up. Also as I said with Dissidia it solidifies her as the primary character. Even if the game was so good because it developed it’s characters as well as it did you can’t deny how central to the plot Terra was.

I do agree that Celes has the most touching and sad story if Cid dies… she even attempts suicide. She dips so deep into depression she tries to kill herself which is more apparent in the Japanese version of course.

Meanwhile Terra is trying to find where she belongs- she wanders and struggles with her very being. She is lost in a world that hates what she is and at the same time uses her against her will. Terra’s story I think is even more sad and I can relate to her more being a bit of an outcast.

Also consider that Celes is forced on you from the moment you reach the end of the Floating Content until you reach the shore from the raft off the island. From that moment on you are only required to obtain two more members of the game but every one you obtain makes completing the game easier. Lastly you could also say that due to the fact that they take Celes away for a fairly good part of the first half it’s made up for when they start you back with her.

Every character gets pretty good face time and is balanced fairly well depending on the player’s choices.

While I wish there was no dispute about Terra at all I do respect people for loving each of the characters because THAT is how you tell a story. You don’t put somebody on a mine-cart and push it down a hill. You have to let the person explore and find out exactly what they want to find out. If you do a good job then they will look for every event and line of text.

FF6 despite it’s bugs and flaws that we have all learned and probably exploited a few times is still the best Final Fantasy. Some will disagree and say 7 or 9. Some weirdos will say 13. I say that for the story- the gameplay- the villian- the music…. you cannot find a better experience.

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By: Deimosion http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37265 Deimosion Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:21:54 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37265 I’m all set and ready to head to the Floating Continent, so probably either tonight or tomorrow I’ll head to the WoR.

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By: DanChiSao http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37253 DanChiSao Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:35:58 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37253 Made it to the World of Ruin with Shadow intact. I killed Cid off (on purpose). I guess I’m just a terrible person, but the resulting scene really feels like it adds something to the game.

@Epy: I would gladly watch an FFVI anime and pay good money for a Blu-ray or DVD. I actually just saw this video for the first time about a week before we started the playthrough. The “Dancing MaDonald” that showed up in related videos afterwards was a little WTF though.

And I agree with Epy that Terra is at least the prime mover of WoB, and it’s Celes for WoR. There is not a single “main character” per se, but they definitely hold the reins with regard to what moves the story forward.

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By: DefChaos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37227 DefChaos Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:35:51 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37227 I have reached the World of Ruin. I kept Cid alive, and also waited for Shadow when escaping the Floating Continent.

I really like the theme that plays during the Atma Weapon fight. One thing that Final Fantasy games always seem to do well is have good “special boss” music. Jenova from FF7 and Four Fiends from FF4 are also really, really good.

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By: Epy http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37221 Epy Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:16:06 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37221 I always felt that Terra was the lead in the World of Balance and Celes was the lead in the World of Ruin. Celes was a stronger character and had more development overall in my opinion (moreso if you let Cid die).

I’m sure everyone already saw it, but this seems fitting:

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By: Ethos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37220 Ethos Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:05:23 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37220 DAMMIT I MISSED THE 69TH COMMENT AGAIN

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By: SiliconNooB http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37187 SiliconNooB Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:01:35 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37187 FFVI doesn’t even have a lead character…

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By: Korusi http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37183 Korusi Fri, 14 Dec 2012 10:01:18 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37183 I almost feel like Kanye when I say this but Final Fantasy 6 WAS the best Final Fantasy that they ever made…. Maybe one day they will make one better but the evidence so far tells me that it’s long passed… The song link also brings me back to a very nostalgic time and makes me cry. I loved this game. I can still go back and play this game enjoying every moment. I enjoyed min maxing my characters and playing with not only a moogle but a magi-tech witch. This game was Steampunk before Steampunk was ‘cool’. I don’t think I will ever feel the same way I did when I started playing this game and the main character was a girl. Even though it was greatly disputed I think Dissidia finally put that to rest and Terra is immortalized as the first female lead character.

Even though we now have Lightning it was Terra who paved the way for this very strong female lead. While you may say that Terra wasn’t very strong you have to look at the things she did and how whenever the chips were down and her friends needed her, she came. Even though she did lose her way, eventually she finds the strength to fight again and protect the ones she loved. This was what endeared her to me. I always live each day hoping that it will be a better one. Hoping that I will be able to share my love and be loved.

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By: koboldekobold http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37170 koboldekobold Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:48:27 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37170 Specific script issues notwithstanding, I find that so far I enjoy the balance between the serious moments and the more humorous/silly bits. I was brought up on Dragon Quest (which perhaps excepting V are all fairly generic storywise), so this story seems quite good relative to a lot of what I am used to. The observation that this game is easy does seem to be spot on, and I find this to be far less grindy when compared to what I am used to out of rpgs.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37143 Lusipurr Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:37:57 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37143 @DCS: WE HAVE A WINNER!

Tune into the first podcast of 2013 to claim your ‘prize’! ;)

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By: DanChiSao http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37141 DanChiSao Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:14:55 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37141 @Lusi: Hmm…Edgar, Mog, Celes, and Setzer?

@DefChaos: I’m at 37842 right now and I just finished the mountains after Thamasa. I need to pick up a few lore spells and then I’m off to the Floating Continent.

I’m playing the PS1 version, and I’ve seen quite a few errors recently. Apparently they renamed the Memento Ring the Safety Ring, which is bad enough, but on top of that, they spelled it Safty. Also, in the cave between the Imperial Base, there were mislabeled treasure boxes. One said it had 20k gold, but only had like 200 or so. I know the game was buggy and had some typos here and there, but one would think that later versions would have FEWER typos, not more of them. I’m still enjoying the game a lot, but my older, more critical eye is definitely noting a lot more flaws as compared to when I played it a 15 years ago. I still love the battle system and the overall plot in general, but I have to agree with the recent comments that the dialogue does suffer quite a bit.

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By: Ethos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37122 Ethos Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:19:17 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37122 @DefChaos – I’m with you and Lusipurr. When I finally gave the game a proper shake last year, I felt like the dialogue was – as Lusi put it – trite. Which surprised me based on the love it gets. And unlike when I replay FFVII and FFIX and get surprised at how strong the interactions are despite spotty writing, replaying FFVI has only confirmed the cartoonish dialogue. I do agree with DefChaos however in FF6′s ability to deftly juggle multiple characters. It gives FF6 a similar removed feel that FF12 has, but it’s distinct.

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By: DefChaos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37093 DefChaos Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:59:16 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37093 Hmm…Terra, Edgar, Cyan, Sabin?

I agree about the dialogue, it can be awkward at times, and in some cases is incorrect (at the banquet in Vector, if Cyan is in your party, General Leo refers to him as the liege to the king of Doma). But since it did come out such a long time ago, I tend to give it a pass. It’s not so bad that it takes away from the story, at least for me.

One of the things the game does exceptionally well is concurrently develop so many different characters. There are a few like Gau that don’t get many scenes, but almost everybody else gets a pretty significant amount of time in the spotlight. It’s more of an ensemble/team effort than any other RPG that comes to mind at the moment. I don’t really look at FF6 as just “Terra’s story”, especially since she’s out of the action for such a long time.

FF6 is not a difficult game, especially once you get to the point in the game where, thanks to Magicite, anybody can be a healer in a pinch. I am also making sure that when characters level up, they have an esper equipped that bump up their stats. I put Bismark on the more physically focused characters, and either Stray or Maduin on the magic users.

How many steps has everyone taken in the game so far? I am about to go inside the burning house in Thamasa, with 30,543 (!) steps taken.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37072 Lusipurr Thu, 13 Dec 2012 00:46:13 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37072 @DCS: A good guess, but wrong!

Alrighty, time for a little write-up of some things I’ve noticed.

1) The battles are very quick, especially compared to the PS1 games, all of which are much slower than FFVI. In fact, these battles are the fastest until FFXII, which is a relief. FFXIII spoiled me forever so that long random battles are now viewed with intense dislike.

2) So far, no one has managed to guess my choice party, however everyone has included Edgar in the list, which is correct. Some other clues: a) all of the characters in my ideal party have been guessed, though not all at once, and b) only one character in my party is female. Given the guesses so far, and the earlier information I gave, it should now be possible to figure out my party (I think).

3) The actual story is surprisingly general, and people have very stereotypical reactions to things. I seem to recall the game being a bit more in-depth than it is–the dialogue is especially trite. Part of this has to do with the constraints of the medium: there simply isn’t room for hugely detailed and sophisticated dialogue. The other has to do with the time of the game: in 1994, this plot was actually quite elaborate. At least there are hints of the political intrigue subplots that will later become quite pronounced (I’m thinking of Tactics as a game which really brings that to the forefront).

4) FFVI is far, far, far easier than I remember it being, and I remember it being very easy indeed. Part of this is that I know every trick in the book, part of it is that I know where every hidden item is, and part of it is that Final Fantasy is generally pretty easy as a matter of course. But wow, this game is easy.

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By: DanChiSao http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37053 DanChiSao Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:28:06 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37053 @Lusi: Edgar, Cyan, Celes and Setzer?

I spent the weekend putzing around in the airship, collecting things I missed on my way through. I haven’t played again until today. Now, I’ve set off to pick up Mog and learn some of the dances now. I should probably get back on track, though, so I can retain my place of honor for staying on pace.

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By: koboldekobold http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37011 koboldekobold Tue, 11 Dec 2012 19:52:06 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37011 I just got through the battle after the party reunites but before Terra turns into an Esper (and I am subsequently about to go look for her), and I must say that I think that was the first battle in the game that I didn’t particularly enjoy playing through it. I don’t know precisely what it was…. though having one group be Gau, my least favorite character and Sabin (I like Sabin as far as his character goes, but find the blitz input to be easy but tedious, particularly because I am playing on a keyboard), so a solid 1/3 of the battles were relatively unpleasant. I like Celes a good bit so far though, character wise and the way she plays. I do find I am tiring of Cyan and his reactions to recent events (even if to this point his reaction to his family boarding the Phantom Train was probably my favorite piece of story to happen so far), though I suppose one could excuse his reaction to Celes, as he didn’t see her getting beat up like we did.

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By: Matt Dance http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37007 Matt Dance Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:51:15 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37007 @Def: It’s surprisingly solid. The Magitek Facility was the easiest it’s ever been, and they’ve been beating the bosses in 4 turns or less. Of course, many years of RPG experience has helped to know what’s most useful.

FF6′s system is relatively simple but very balanced and versatile. I like how it takes the pressure of by letting everyone learn Cure and Life spells through Espers, in a pinch, but some characters are better magic users and all have unique abilities none of the others do.

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By: Ethos http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-37000 Ethos Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:15:17 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-37000 Why is everybody guessing Cyan? Did Lusipurr confirm that one and I missed it? And has nobody guessed Setzer yet? I’m behind on the rules.

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By: Lusipurr http://lusipurr.com/2012/12/02/feature-christmas-in-narshe/#comment-36996 Lusipurr Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:08:27 +0000 http://lusipurr.com/?p=9318#comment-36996 @Tlz: Nope! But a decent guess, as before!

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